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Google AdSense vs. Yahoo YPN -
PPC Network Comparison Chart



This evaluation chart compares the Google Adsense PPC program with the YPN Yahoo Publisher Network BETA PPC program. Publishers report higher payout rates from the Yahoo contextual advertising program, but at a much lower CTR caused by poor Yahoo ad targeting.

Adsense
YPN
Publisher Advantages
Publisher Disadvantages
Publisher Advantages
Publisher Disadvantages

Excellent targeting
Excellent CTR (>5%)
EXCELLENT reporting
"Advanced Reports"
Best revenue source
Ad Links
Adsense for Search
PPA (Referrals)
CPM ads
Image ads option
Alternate URL feature
Can email Google

Falling payout*
SmartPricing
Declining ad quality
MFAs, MFYs, MFEs
Ban by other's actions
Recent serving issues
rss feed product in beta
No phone help
Cannot transfer funds



*For smaller publishers

EPC reported (RPC)




YPN for rss feeds
Phone number help
$ transfer to ad account

POOR ad targeting
"Quality-based" pricing
Terrible CTR (<1%)

No "Advanced Reports"
No real time reports
Poor report design
Report response time
Flaky reports
Serving issues (no ads)

Poor performance bans
USA domestic only
USA traffic only
No ad links
No YPN for Search
No "Referrals"
No CPM ads
No image ads
No alternate URL
Can't email YPN

July 14, 2007 - Update - Webmaster's personal opinions, from reported forum data
Adsense ads are reported to be more attractive than YPN ads, primarily due to font selection, it seems.
It is reported that YPN bans for low CTR, which is absurd, since CTR is determined primarily by ad targeting.

Section

March 2006 changes
April 2006 changes
May 2006 changes
June 2006 changes
Sept. 2006 changes
October 2006 changes
Novem. 2006 changes
2007
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Ad Presentation

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Ad Targeting

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Program Flexibility

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Ad Statistics

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Ad Performance

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Google Adsense vs. YPN - PPC Network Comparison Chart

Parameter
AdSense
YPN Beta
Note

Eligibility

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1

Who May Participate?

International
publishers

You must apply with a given site, and be accepted on the basis of that site.
US only
You must have a US address, plus a US Social Security number or a US IRS tax ID number.

By invitation only
You can ask to be considered at
YPN Publisher Application

Sometime in the future, YPN may go international. Nobody knows when. They will probably be bought out first.

Ad Presentation

AdSense
YPN Beta

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Number of
Text Ad
Formats

11
Adsense ad formats - sizes
200 x 200 Small Square
10
YPN ad formats - sizes

YPN copied all the Adsense ad formats, except for the "button" - 125x125.

This makes it very easy to switch ads from one program to the other. One does not have to deal with "ad fitting".

Google has added the 200x200 small square format.

2a

Banner Format Change

New Adsense Banner Format:

Advertiser Title
Description looked good

I don't like this change.

New YPN Banner Format:

Advertiser Title
advertiser-url.com

I don't like this change.

Old Banner Format for BOTH:

Advertiser Title
Description looked good
advertiser-url.com

Looked GREAT!

3

Number of
Image Ad
Formats

7

Added 9-21-06:
S. square (200x200)

Added 4-22-06:
Square (250x250)
L. Rectangle - (336x280)

Leaderboard (728x90)
Banner (468x60)
Skyscraper (120x600)
M. rectangle (300x250)
W. skyscraper (160x600)

No image ad stats provided
Aggregate stats only
None

Google does not provide image ad statistics, so you cannot determine how they perform.

These are not for me, because I can't measure the performance.

4

Ad Links?

Yes
No

Google only.

5

AdSense for
Search?

Yes
Added 4-22-06:
"Site-Flavored" targeting
No

"YPN For Search" coming later?

6

AdSense for
RSS Feeds

Beta only (full)
Aggregate stats only
Yes -
WordPress, Movable Type
Separate stats for RSS

Yahoo is in the lead.

7

Ad Blocks
per Page

3 Adsense blocks
plus 1 3 Ad Link units
plus 1 Search unit
plus 2 3 Referral Buttons
1 block (or 5)
This is currently ambiguous.
Depends where you are reading, FAQs, TOS, or Reps.

YPN does not yet "support" multiple ad blocks - duplicate ads are served, which is not advised.

8

Alternate
Ad Color?

Yes
Yes

Same

9

Alternate
Ad URL?

Yes
(Use to prevent PSA's.)
No

YPN coming later?

10

Custom
Color Palette?

Yes
Yes - very small -
hard to see the colors on a white background.
Update 3-20-06 -
You can now rename and delete custom pallettes.

Similar - see below

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Google Color Palette = 216 (6x36) + 6 shades of grey

Google color palette

 


Yahoo YPN Color Palette = 216 colors (8x27) NOW, 225 colors (9x25) (Mar.20, 2006) (old palette still showing)

YPN color selectionYPN color palette

Ad Targeting

AdSense
YPN Beta

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Appropriate Ads Served On First Page View?

Sometimes, the first ads served are PSAs - subsequent refreshes produce targeted ads.

Example for this page -
First and all subsequent servings
(11-26-05)
PERFECT!
For this page, the first ads served are RONs - subsequent refreshes produce targeted ads, sometimes.

Example for this page -
First serving
First refresh (second serving)

Have you ever heard the expression, "There are no second chances?" It certainly applies here.

I guess it's a case of "sell what you have". The RON advertisers seem to have infinite budgets.

Adsense and YPN BOTH do this, but YPN seems worse.
My Google theory - the first call for ads does not allow enough time for the targeted ads to be "pulled up", but the page must be delivered NOW - subsequent refreshes DO allow enough time - simple as that.
NO MATTER why it happens, the problem is that the first ads shown ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT MATTER! Precious few users will refresh to get the appropriate, semantically targeted ads. This is a great reason to specify an alternate URL (in Adsense). THIS IS A HUGE FACTOR WHICH DETERMINES HOW WELL A PROGRAM PERFORMS.

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URL blocking?

Yes - 200 URLs

Consider blocking those ads which appear everywhere, that -
1. are made for adsense
2. are YPN click-flippers
3. pay very little
4. annoy your visitors -
5. are of low quality
6. displace better ads

such as eBay.com, and
some-hokey-bs.com


Some publishers complain that 200 URLs are just not enough. New, low-paying, poor-quality ads continue to

Yes - 200 URLs

You can block the following
RON (Run Of Network) ads -
www.borrellassociates.com
www.classesusa.com
www.comcastoffers.com
www.ebay.com
www.florist.com
www.ftd.com
www.lendingtree.com
www.lowermybills.com
www.nextag.com
www.roadrunneroffers.com
www.shopping.com
www.vonage.com
(plus new ones daily)

www.ftd.com\blah-blah and
www.florist.com\blah-blah
cannot be blocked because of the back slash replacing the proper forward slash - produces a Yahoo error.

Block ads from specific URLs

The YPN RON ads pay very well, but the CTR rate is extremely poor, since they are not targeted.
In MOST cases, blocking YPN RON ads results in lower overall revenue. This has been confirmed by a YPN rep.

Later on, down the road, if CTR rate becomes as important to Yahoo as it is to Google, you may want to block these RON ads. But not now, if total revenue is your goal.

The flower people seem to have made a special deal with YPN, so that their ads can't be blocked. Interesting.

ADDED: I no longer block RON ads.

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Low-Paying
Ad Blocking?

No
Advertisers set their price,
why can't the publishers?

Take it or leave it,
like it or lump it!
No
(YPN - here's your chance to make many friends - allow publishers to set a minimum price for which they will display ads - don't just take them for granted.)

Publisher desired feature - if you are only passing out one penny per click, you are wasting our time. Allow publishers to specify a minimum payout, or don't serve the ads. Not all publishers are begging for scraps - their real estate is NOT FREE!

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CPM Ad Blocking?

Yes, but not easily.
Everyone is automatically "opted in".
You can "opt out" by special email request. Cannot easily tell which ads are CPM - expanded text is a clue. If you can determine which ads are CPM, you can use Ad Blocking to get rid of them.
No CPM stats
You don't know how much you are getting, from whom, or when. Analysis vs. PPC can't be done.
Google now offers "site-targeted" stats under "Advanced Reports". These CPM impressions pay less than 1 penny for most. You need huge traffic to make money from these ads. And why would you want to substitute them for regular PPC ads, which can pay up to 50 times as much?
No CPM ads yet

CPM ads pay per ad impression, clicks on these ads pay nothing. Be suspicious of anything that automatically "opts you in" - changes the meaning of "opt", which used to mean optional. Kind of like SPAM email - there is no "opt in" involved. You are getting it, even though you didn't ask for it.

Without analysis, some say that CPM is a way to lower costs for advertisers, and LOWER PAYOUT for publishers.

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PSA/ RON
Ad Blocking?

PSAs - NO
(Use alt URL)
RON Ads - YES
(Run Of Network)

AdSense PSA ads pay zero $ -
YPN RON ads pay A LOT of $.

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Program
Ad Targeting

Excellent to poor

Certain Adsense ads only get shown on certain ??? sites. On one page, Adsense would NEVER give me the RIGHT ads, even using ad targeting - I moved it to YPN, and got the RIGHT ads instantly. Sometimes, YPN serves the RIGHT ads, when Google simply refuses to.

YPN's Biggest Issue

Good
to horrible
If it can't find ads, you get the same 4 RON ads over and over.

If one "apt" ad is found, it is presented at the BOTTOM or MIDDLE of the 4 ad set, NOT at the top! Yowza!
ADDED: LACK of consistency is the biggest problem; one cannot optimize something that won't HOLD STILL. Yahoo's targeting seems to change daily - there is NO WAY to know what is best. I have abandoned all targeting attempts. There just isn't enough time.
Yet my CTR is rising falling.

Google is clearly superior -
YPN is either good or terrible.
Vonage and LendingTree ads are everywhere.
Some people feel it's better to have NO ADS than THE SAME RON ads, over and over again, for esthetic reasons.
(Run Of Network = Ad blindness) But YPN conpensates for poorly targeted ads, by displaying RON ads that pay FAR MORE.

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Ad Targeting Speed for A New Page

For me, about 5 minutes
Very inconsistant,
sometimes instantly
sometimes never

For me, YPN gets the nod. If they have the ads, you get them now. Not any more.

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Publisher
Ad Targeting

From good to none -
<good stuff>blah</good stuff>
by page - no limit
Works sometimes, often doesn't

Google does NOT tell you the minimum text or minimum percentage of text that must be targeted to make this option work reliably. You may spend many hours trying to make this work, as I have! Without any clues from Google, I'm done with it.

Poor - 20 broad category selections listed below can be applied to 50 pages only.
Ads are WAY too general-
keyword targeting needed.

Added 3-24-06 - Further exhortation from YPN to use ad targeting - I'm not convinced.

The 20 Ad Categories -
Apparel and Jewelry
Automotive
B2B
Books - Movies - Music - Tic.
Computing
Education and Career
Electronics and Appliances
Entertainment - Social Events
Financial Services
Flowers and Candy
Health and Beauty
Home and Garden
Mass Merchants
Professional Services
Real Estate
Reference
Sporting Goods
Telecom - ISPs
Toys and Hobbies
Travel
(132 Total Subcategories -
see below)

Works sometimes, often doesn't

In the Google case, I think the default semantic targeting does a better job than the user "targeting" tools - WAY TOO "IFFY", and requires far too much time to make it work.




In the Yahoo case, I think the default semantic targeting does a WAY BETTER job than the user "targeting" tools - even the 132 "subcategories" are far too general.

Presently, avoid using targeting if you want to maximize revenue.

ADDED: I no longer use "Ad Targeting". It's good, it's bad, who knows. What day of the week is it?

Update: Yahoo has disabled Ad Targeting on my account, and those of many others. Why? Nobody can figure it out. I always used the most appropriate ad category that I could find. What did I do wrong? NOTHING! Just one more example of YPN cluelessness, which many have taken note of.

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Ad Preview

Yes
No - just as well

This would be counterproductive for YPN at this point - users would be put off by the RON results.

Program
Flexibility

AdSense
YPN Beta

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Self-Click
on Own Ad

Stern warning -
May be BANNED!
Why engender an atmosphere of abject fear, when it is trivial to simply discount a publisher's infrequent errant click?
YPN can do it, why won't Google?
Automatically filtered -
NO PENALTY

Yahoo is doing what Google should have been doing. Rather than using self-clicks to ban folks, Yahoo simply ignores the click, just the way it SHOULD BE! If you work on your site a lot, you are going to make mistakes. I have made 2 self-clicks myself, simply by falling asleep, mouse in hand! The erroneous click noise woke me right up. I had to run straight to Google, and turn myself in! Makes you feel like a criminal.

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Auto Fill-in of
Log-in Form

You do not have to type in your User Name and Password, if you are using the Firefox browser.

Added 3-24-06 - YPN has added both User Name and Password "Remember Me" features to the Firefox browser. This feature was unannounced, AFAIK.
Excellent!

If you are not using Firefox, you need to switch now, for many reasons - features, security, many excellent plug-ins, default pop-up blocking, superb Mozilla support, etc. Download Firefox 1.5, it's awesome. ADDED - If you use a Mac, stay away from FF 2.0. Nightmare! Four crashes in the first hour! Thank God I could go back to 1.5.

Update - I am now using FF Ver. 2.0.0.12, which works fine, after I added another 512M of RAM. I will switch to FF Ver. 3, somewhere around version 3.0.0.12.

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Idle Time to
Auto Logout

Very frequently
log in, log in, log in, log in, log in, etc., etc., etc.
(every 10 minutes?)
Very frequently
log in, log in, log in, log in, log in, etc., etc., etc.
(every 10 minutes?)

This can be incredibly annoying, when you are doing this stuff every day, all day long. You are hauling but, and there are all these little trip wires. Aaaaarrrrrggggg. Of course, if the issue is better security, well, then, I'll just shut-up. I'm for that.

Ad Statistics

AdSense
YPN Beta

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Number of
tracking
channels

200 Total -
Sum of URL and custom channels
Added 3-20-06
Added 50 more channels - now 100 Total
Much better!

YPN has doubled their channels. One channel per page is MANDATORY for analysis purposes, IMHO. This was my most-wanted feature!

24

Channel Management

Can deactivate channels
Can reactivate channels
Can rename channels
Can delete channels

Can deactivate channels
Can reactivate channels
Can rename channels

Added 3-24-06 - Can now delete channels

YPN channels can now be deleted.

25

Statistics Updating Frequency

Almost real time,
about every 20 minutes
About 30-45 minutes, IF there is any click activity, but sometimes
2 to 20 hours behind

Yahoo is improving.

25a

Statistics Updating Speed

About 3 seconds
10 seconds
(annoying by comparison)

After you Refresh your "Reports Page" and sign-in again, how long until you get back control of your browser?

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Channel Data Update Frequency

Almost real time -
augments the "fun" factor - see what just happened TODAY! You can also take corrective action, in just hours!
Usually by 4 AM of next day
(You get NO info from midnight to 4AM)

Google wins by a mile.
YPN performs retrograde motion - they give initial daily info, take it away for 4 hours, then give it back in detail.

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Reports

"Advanced Reports"
Sort by ANY column
TOTALLY EXCELLENT!

Offers advanced (summary) reports, which don't contain all the daily data.
"No Advanced Reports"
Every day data only - Can't see summary channel data compared, over any time period (month), like Google.
Added 3-24-06 - YPN now defaults to showing 10 channels at-a-time, requiring the viewing of MANY pages - Reset the default to 100.

I want to be able to see specified or all channels compared over ANY time period I specify, NOT by EVERY SINGLE date! Google calls these summary reports "Advanced Reports". I call them "useful reports". YPN does not offer these.

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Date Range

Google offers "All Time"
Yahoo offers "YTD" only, and even that frequently results in "Report Not Available".

"All Time" is a great option when analyzing your site's performance over time.

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Report
Convenience
EPC Column

Goole has refused to add an EPC column, as highly desired as it is. They don't want to make it too easy to see EPC, when it is in a dropping phase.
Solution? Download your report into Excel, and then add an EPC column.
YPN has added the highly logical, and long-awaited report column "RPC"-
Revenue Per Click

Why not? Overdue. No more forced mental calculations, which everybody does, and must do, to determine cents per click - the EPC.

Ad
Performance

AdSense
YPN Beta

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Overall CTR

Good
Typically, reported much lower than Adsense -
1/10 to 1/4

Mine is 1/6 1/10.
There are page exceptions.

YPN is lower due to the poor targeting. If you block the RON ads, and apply targeting, the CTR may improve. Or not.

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EPC
Payout $

x amount
1.5x - 8x
Mine = 2x
1x - 3x
Mine = 2x

Yahoo pays MORE! For now. The YPN payout is steadily decreasing over time. With the recent introduction of YPN's version of SmartPricing, many are reporting that payout has been dropping like a rock.

A typical CTR difference of 10 times totally offsets an EPC difference of 2 times, or even 5 times. Because of this, in almost all cases, you will make more money using Google.

Program
Payout

AdSense
YPN Beta

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Direct Deposit

Yes
Added May 20: Yes

Same - Wonderful!

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Payment Delay

26 days direct deposit
Checks go out earlier, but take longer for delivery.
26 days direct deposit
Checks go out earlier, but take longer for delivery.

Same

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Minimum Balance for Payment

$100
$100

Same

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Balance
Transfer

No
Yes

YPN provides a balance transfer feature from your YPN to YSM account.
You cannot transfer a balance from a Google AdSense account to a Google Ad Words account.

Contact
Information

AdSense
YPN Beta

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Telephone #

Telephone support - none

Telephone - Yahoo! Publisher Network Support at (866) 785-2636

Google does not offer telephone support, unless you are a premium publisher

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Email address

Report Adsense Violation -
adsense-abuse@google.com

Contact Us (form) -
https://www.google.com/ adsense/support/bin/ request.py?

Category Choices -
Ad Code troubleshooting
AdSense for Search
Ad Targeting
Earnings
Login Issues
Receiving Payments
Referrals
Reports and Channels
Suggest A Feature
Updating Account Information
Other




YPN Support Form
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https://publisher.yahoo.com/ help/support.php

Inquiry Type -
Accounting Management Issue
Ad Serving Issue
Enhancement Request
Payment Issue
Product Config. Issue
Reporting Issue
Other

Both Google and Yahoo offer "Contact Forms". Unfortunately, using these forms does NOT put a copy of your communication into the "Sent" folder of your email application. So you have no record of what you sent. You must write your email in Word, and then copy and paste it into the "Contact Forms".

This is why I hate contact forms.
- You have NO RECORD
- Contents can be disputed
- If unanswered, you have no "tickler" - no way to remind yourself that you even sent it - or when - or what it contained

It is NOT email - it is a private one-way communication with no record, no cc, and no forwarding. Even though you wrote it, it no longer exists for you, just the form creator. Very frustrating.

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YPN Targeting Subcategories List (132)

Apparel and Jewelry (7)

Clothing

Fashion Accessories

Glasses and Contacts

Jewelry

Shoes

Special Apparel

Tatoos and Piercings

Automotive (12)

Aircrafts (Yahoo spelling)

Automotive Resources

Automotive Services

Boats

Commercial Vehicles

Military Vehicles

Motorcycles

Parts and Accessories

Passenger Vehicles

Powersport Vehicles

RVs

Trailers

B2B (3)

Commercial-Industrial Processing

Commercial-Industrial Products

Commercial-Industrial Services

Books - Movies - Music - Tickets (5)

Books

Celebrities

Movies

Music

Tickets

Computing (5)

Computer Hardware

Computer Security

Computer Service and Repair

Computer Software

Internet

Education and Career (2)

Careers

Education

Electronics and Appliances (7)

Business Telecom Equipment

Cameras and Optical Equipment

Consumer Electronics

Home Appliances

Office Electronics

Professional Entertainment Electronics

Scientific Electronics

Entertain. and Social Event Services (11)

Art Galleries

Astrology

Dating Web Sites

Event Venues

Events

Museums

Online Recreation

Parks and Recreation Centers

Radio

Social Event Services

Television

Financial Services (8)

Accounting and Taxes

Banking

Collection Services

Credit, Loans and Debt

Financial Aid and Grants

Financial Planning

Insurance

Investment

Flowers and Candy (4)

Candy

Flowers

Gifts

Stationary


YPN Targeting Subcategories List (132) (con't.)

Health and Beauty (11)

Alternative Medicine

Anatomy

Beauty Products

Beauty Services

Diet and Exercise

Eyecare

Massage

Medical Conditions

Medical Services

Medical Supplies

Spas

Home and Garden (3)

Furniture

Home

Yard and Garden

Mass Merchants (3)

Food

Office Supplies

Pets and Pet Supplies

Professional Services (17)

Advertising and Marketing Services

Appraisal Services

Architecture Services

Business Services

Child Care Services

Construction Services

Engineering Services

Financial Counseling Services

Fund Raising Services

Funeral and Cemetery Services

Legal Services

People Finders

Photographers and Video Services

Private Investigation Services

Tailor and Alteration Services

Web Designing Services

Writing Services

Real Estate (17)

Apartments - Lofts - Flats

Commercial Real Estate

Condominiums

Home Construction

Houses

Investment Properties

Land and Acreage

Manufactured Homes

Moving and Relocation Services

Property Management Services

RE Companies - Agents - Brokers

Real Estate Business Space

Real Estate By Owner

Real Estate Foreclosures

Real Estate Inspection Services

Rental Housing

Time Share Properties

Reference (4)

Academic Reference

Maps

Medical Reference

News

Sporting Goods (2)

Sports Apparel

Sports Equipment

Telecommunications and ISPs (2)

Internet

Telecommunications

Toys and Hobbies (2)

Hobbies

Toys

Travel (7)

Accomodations

Cruises

Flights

Ground Transportation

Travel Destinations

Travel Services

Vacations


I listed all the YPN targeting subcategories above, because it is not always obvious in which Main Category any given subject belongs. For instance, "Aircrafts"(sic) is listed under "Automotive", "Glasses" is listed under "Jewelry", "News" is listed under "Reference", etc., etc.

Also, some categories seem missing, such as "Religion". I am getting religion ads where appropriate, using the default contextual, semantic targeting.

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Disclaimer
This page consists of a compilation of public information, commonly available on the internet, at multiple sites, as well as public webmaster forums, and simple manual tests.

The opinions stated above are merely the personal opinions of the author.
I am not privy to any inside information.
This information is continually changing, and may not be correct when you read it.

Although the author makes every effort to verify the information on this page, no information on this page is guaranteed to be correct, and any data contained herein may be erroneous.



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